Long Lots Building Committee meeting on Thursday night. / Photos by Thane Grauel
By Thane Grauel
WESTPORT — The Long Lots School Building Committee had hoped to make a recommendation by the end of the summer on whether the 70-plus-year-old elementary school should be renovated, expanded or replaced.
But committee Chairman Jay Keenan, also a Representative Town Meeting member from District 2, made it clear at a Thursday meeting that revisions to potential site plans, financial projections and other matters still are weeks away.
And, as has been said before, whatever recommendation the committee makes might not be as clear-cut as renovate in place, renovate with additions, or build a whole new school.
Keeping the existing structure sounds unlikely.
“The building is in a state where we’d have to spend a lot of money to keep that building going, with mechanicals and everything,” Keenan said. “It’s just not worth it.”
That pretty much leaves a whole new school the likeliest option.
The committee continued looking at potential site plans, seven or so, Thursday.
Another standing-room-only meeting.
The meeting once again took place in a conference room too small for the crowd, while the Town Hall auditorium — which rarely gets such a turnout for a board or commission meeting — sat dark and silent.
In addition to the committee and consultants at the table, more than 40 members of the public, including elected and appointed officials from other town bodies, filled all the available seats and others were left standing, in and outside Room 201.
“I’m sure everybody’s going to be a little irritated with this in the end, and hopefully, when we’re all done two-and-a-half years from now, we’ll have a great project that everybody’s happy with,” Keenan said.
Much of the crowd, once again, were members of the Westport Community Gardens.
They’ve been fighting to keep the gardens in place because more than 100 families have been working the soil and planting perennials over the years.
Committee member Don O’Day, RTM District 2, said he understood the gardeners’ efforts over 20 years.
“I get that,” he said. “But I’m also thinking in a more Gestalt way, that we’ve got to do stuff that we are doing.”
Access to the gardens, should they be left in place, would be shut down for the duration of construction, because it would be a construction zone, perhaps a growing season or two, O’Day said.
“I’m also thinking in a more Gestalt way, that we’ve got to do stuff that we are doing.”
Don O’Day
Toni Simonetti, an advocate for the gardens, spoke to the committee as the meeting was breaking up. She told Keenan he was in a pickle.
“I don’t envy you,” she said. “Raze those gardens and we’re all gonna disappear. And that could very well, likely happen. But it doesn’t change the status that people care about these gardens and they don’t want to lose them in their current space.”
“That’s never going to change,” Simonetti said.
Keenan said he’d make the best recommendation he could to the deciding bodies.
“Raze those gardens and we’re all gonna disappear. And that could very well, likely happen. But it doesn’t change the status that people care about these gardens and they don’t want to lose them in their current space.”
Toni Simonetti
Simonetti said after the meeting that she fears a ball field would trump the 20-year history of the community gardens off Hyde Lane.
Thane Grauel grew up in Westport and has been a journalist in Fairfield County and beyond for 35 years. Reach him at editor@westportjournal.com. Learn more about us here.
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Louis Weinberg
on September 1, 2023 at 7:18 am
Dear voters and residents of the town of Westport:
Please see the video below that provides an overview of the magnitude and beauty of the Westport Community Gardens and Long Lots Preserve.
The Westport Community Gardens have been in place for 20 years. They have received repeated and unanimous town approvals over those 20 years. They are model of community building, environmental stewardship, an educational opportunity. The educational opportunities presented by the gardens and preserve property are currently being explored by the Westport Public Schools. We expect this to ultimately result in the use of the Community Gardens by the school and the use of the preserve and the gardens for field trips and Environmental study.
The Long Lots Preserve is a model of suburban open space environmental rehabilitation. It is exactly what we should be doing as a community and it is a great opportunity to teach our kids how to care for this planet.
There has been nothing in the mandates given to the Long Lots School Building Committee that includes utilizing the land currently occupied by the Westport Community Gardens and the Long Lots Preserve. At last nights meeting, the committee was unable to address the specific question about where the idea to put a ballfield on top of the gardens and preserve came from. They just did it?
To the neighbors of the property… A ballfield will bring noise, garbage, and ultimately lights. And flooding.
We will continue our efforts to educate the residents of Westport about the value that the Westport Community Gardens and the Long Lots Preserve bring to the town. While significant development and loss of green space occurs around us, we are an increasingly valuable, environmental oasis. The pollinator value of this property is phenomenal. Please come for a visit sometime.
And please, write to your local elected officials, including the Board of Selectwomen, the Board Of Finance, the Board Of Education, the Planning And Zoning Commission, and the RTM.
To me it’s interesting that Don O’Day said, “I’m also thinking in a more Gestalt way, that we’ve got to do stuff that we are doing.”
The Mirriam Webster definition of Gestalt is: : a structure, arrangement, or pattern of physical, biological, or psychological phenomena so integrated as to constitute a functional unit with properties not derivable by summation of its parts.
I hope the gestalt he speaks of includes the biological and psychological benefits of integrating the environmentally sound green space created in the Westport Community Gardens and Long Lots Preserve.
They are an asset and contribute to the biological wellbeing of Westport’s environment and psychological well-being . Instead of destroying or modifying the WCG and LLP, create new programs which make use of them for children! They are available and irreplaceable.
He has routinely lied to the general public in the LLBC meetings, blaming them for having exaggerated ideas about the scope of the project when clearly they understood -precisely the scope of the project. Clearly his role on the committee is to be a lackey for the BOE.
When was there a publicly noticed meeting on which the general public was invited as to weather as to whether this property that has operated under the auspices of Parks & Rec should be the BOE’s if it wants it?
This whole process has reflected a deplorable lack of caring as to the desires of residents of Westport.
And where is the First Selectwoman who created this mess? What an appalling lack of leadership… and transparency.
I watched town officials and planners lean into their drawings that destroy the 20-year old majestic Westport Community Garden in favor of a Babe Ruth Baseball field. Despite the continued and growing outcry from Westport residents, they remain undeterred. How ironic, that they, not the Gardeners are stuck in the weeds and cannot see the big picture. They cannot see that the Garden is a part of the soul of Westport and it is an irreplaceable green gift to the town. It feels quite heartless, but the Garden, in their eyes is just a problem that needs to be bulldozed, to hell with Community Gardening in Westport. With the help of Westport residents, just because the Long Lots Building Committee is lost, the Garden need not be lost. Speak up Westport and please get involved by writing town officials, running for RTM and voicing your support for the Gardens remaining where they are.
I want to preface that I support our school system and advancements to ensure safe and progressive learning environments for our precious children. I appreciate the committee’s knowledge, passion, and volunteer time in taking on such a challenging project.
What has been frustrating in this project is the attitude of almost an eminent domain towards the WCG and the Garden Community. It was stated all of this is town property, inferring they had carte blanche for the school project. I’m not denying the gardens are on town owned property. Someone must have drawn out the boundaries to be accessed. Am I to assume no one questioned the inclusion of the Westport Community Gardens? And our town leadership didn’t think it was important to be transparent with the WCG Community by contacting us with what may be at stake when the 100+ Gardens directly came into play? Why are other town assets given a different level of respect with involvement and say?
If the charter of this project is all about Long Lots Elementary, where in the scope of addressing the school did an expanded ball field for high schoolers come into play? (pun aside) My kids played sports in town- going to various fields as games were assigned. We didn’t necessarily have a connection to “X” field. Gardeners do not go to various gardens to pick fresh tomatoes, basil, and other fresh grown fruits/veggies/flowers . We have all built our own beds, pergolas, bocce court, and garden space in this one garden for 20 years. We also do all of the maintenance and beyond.
Lastly, in addressing a neighbor’s concern on expanded enrollment, the other discussion point made was a prediction on whether the student enrollment would grow at Long Lots with the expanded number of class rooms and addition of Stepping Stones. While today’s intention may be to keep overall enrollment consistent to that of today, I can guarantee if there is extra classroom space, the space will be used. Does anyone remember when kindergarten was initially expanded part-time and the BOE at the time said they didn’t want to go to full time kindergarten? How long did it take for that to change? (My kids lived that exhaustive transition.) If the classrooms are there, they will be filled when costs are compared to building new or adding modular classrooms on other properties. I’m sure parents would prefer the new school option as well, give the choice of modular classrooms. If you build it, yes, they will come.
“But I’m also thinking in a more Gestalt way,” is a fancy way of saying “I don’t care”
It’s disheartening that a town, which proudly banned plastic bags in 2009 and was among the first in Connecticut to commit to becoming Net Zero by 2050, is now seriously considering constructing an unnecessary ball field on top of a 20-year-old community garden and preserve instead of exploring numerous alternative sites.
OK — I no longer live in Westport, I never had a Community Garden, and my sons did not attend the Westport schools.
But I still love the Town, and I’m still interested in what happens.
So, speaking from a distance (Redding CT), I can only offer this suggestion —
Do what Coleytown Middle did when they were renovating it. They enrolled all their students in Bedford Middle. Only in this case, move the kids to other schools, tear down the current Long Lots School, build a new school, and leave the gardeners in peace.
There are options on the table that protect the Garden and the Preserve. Let’s continue to focus on that common ground as the solution that is a win-win. New school + preserve the ecological, environmental and community assets that the site represents.
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Dear voters and residents of the town of Westport:
Please see the video below that provides an overview of the magnitude and beauty of the Westport Community Gardens and Long Lots Preserve.
The Westport Community Gardens have been in place for 20 years. They have received repeated and unanimous town approvals over those 20 years. They are model of community building, environmental stewardship, an educational opportunity. The educational opportunities presented by the gardens and preserve property are currently being explored by the Westport Public Schools. We expect this to ultimately result in the use of the Community Gardens by the school and the use of the preserve and the gardens for field trips and Environmental study.
The Long Lots Preserve is a model of suburban open space environmental rehabilitation. It is exactly what we should be doing as a community and it is a great opportunity to teach our kids how to care for this planet.
There has been nothing in the mandates given to the Long Lots School Building Committee that includes utilizing the land currently occupied by the Westport Community Gardens and the Long Lots Preserve. At last nights meeting, the committee was unable to address the specific question about where the idea to put a ballfield on top of the gardens and preserve came from. They just did it?
To the neighbors of the property… A ballfield will bring noise, garbage, and ultimately lights. And flooding.
We will continue our efforts to educate the residents of Westport about the value that the Westport Community Gardens and the Long Lots Preserve bring to the town. While significant development and loss of green space occurs around us, we are an increasingly valuable, environmental oasis. The pollinator value of this property is phenomenal. Please come for a visit sometime.
And please, write to your local elected officials, including the Board of Selectwomen, the Board Of Finance, the Board Of Education, the Planning And Zoning Commission, and the RTM.
https://youtu.be/lGceWZ_1Os0?si=zg3tFdKtocX8dvhJ
Louis Weinberg
Chairman, Westport Community Gardens
Director, Long Lots Preserve
Re: “I’m thinking in a more Gestalt way…” Don’t you just love it when our representatives talk down to us?
To me it’s interesting that Don O’Day said, “I’m also thinking in a more Gestalt way, that we’ve got to do stuff that we are doing.”
The Mirriam Webster definition of Gestalt is: : a structure, arrangement, or pattern of physical, biological, or psychological phenomena so integrated as to constitute a functional unit with properties not derivable by summation of its parts.
I hope the gestalt he speaks of includes the biological and psychological benefits of integrating the environmentally sound green space created in the Westport Community Gardens and Long Lots Preserve.
They are an asset and contribute to the biological wellbeing of Westport’s environment and psychological well-being . Instead of destroying or modifying the WCG and LLP, create new programs which make use of them for children! They are available and irreplaceable.
TAKE IT OFF THE TABLE
DO THE RIGHT THING
He has routinely lied to the general public in the LLBC meetings, blaming them for having exaggerated ideas about the scope of the project when clearly they understood -precisely the scope of the project. Clearly his role on the committee is to be a lackey for the BOE.
When was there a publicly noticed meeting on which the general public was invited as to weather as to whether this property that has operated under the auspices of Parks & Rec should be the BOE’s if it wants it?
This whole process has reflected a deplorable lack of caring as to the desires of residents of Westport.
And where is the First Selectwoman who created this mess? What an appalling lack of leadership… and transparency.
I watched town officials and planners lean into their drawings that destroy the 20-year old majestic Westport Community Garden in favor of a Babe Ruth Baseball field. Despite the continued and growing outcry from Westport residents, they remain undeterred. How ironic, that they, not the Gardeners are stuck in the weeds and cannot see the big picture. They cannot see that the Garden is a part of the soul of Westport and it is an irreplaceable green gift to the town. It feels quite heartless, but the Garden, in their eyes is just a problem that needs to be bulldozed, to hell with Community Gardening in Westport. With the help of Westport residents, just because the Long Lots Building Committee is lost, the Garden need not be lost. Speak up Westport and please get involved by writing town officials, running for RTM and voicing your support for the Gardens remaining where they are.
I want to preface that I support our school system and advancements to ensure safe and progressive learning environments for our precious children. I appreciate the committee’s knowledge, passion, and volunteer time in taking on such a challenging project.
What has been frustrating in this project is the attitude of almost an eminent domain towards the WCG and the Garden Community. It was stated all of this is town property, inferring they had carte blanche for the school project. I’m not denying the gardens are on town owned property. Someone must have drawn out the boundaries to be accessed. Am I to assume no one questioned the inclusion of the Westport Community Gardens? And our town leadership didn’t think it was important to be transparent with the WCG Community by contacting us with what may be at stake when the 100+ Gardens directly came into play? Why are other town assets given a different level of respect with involvement and say?
If the charter of this project is all about Long Lots Elementary, where in the scope of addressing the school did an expanded ball field for high schoolers come into play? (pun aside) My kids played sports in town- going to various fields as games were assigned. We didn’t necessarily have a connection to “X” field. Gardeners do not go to various gardens to pick fresh tomatoes, basil, and other fresh grown fruits/veggies/flowers . We have all built our own beds, pergolas, bocce court, and garden space in this one garden for 20 years. We also do all of the maintenance and beyond.
Lastly, in addressing a neighbor’s concern on expanded enrollment, the other discussion point made was a prediction on whether the student enrollment would grow at Long Lots with the expanded number of class rooms and addition of Stepping Stones. While today’s intention may be to keep overall enrollment consistent to that of today, I can guarantee if there is extra classroom space, the space will be used. Does anyone remember when kindergarten was initially expanded part-time and the BOE at the time said they didn’t want to go to full time kindergarten? How long did it take for that to change? (My kids lived that exhaustive transition.) If the classrooms are there, they will be filled when costs are compared to building new or adding modular classrooms on other properties. I’m sure parents would prefer the new school option as well, give the choice of modular classrooms. If you build it, yes, they will come.
“But I’m also thinking in a more Gestalt way,” is a fancy way of saying “I don’t care”
It’s disheartening that a town, which proudly banned plastic bags in 2009 and was among the first in Connecticut to commit to becoming Net Zero by 2050, is now seriously considering constructing an unnecessary ball field on top of a 20-year-old community garden and preserve instead of exploring numerous alternative sites.
OK — I no longer live in Westport, I never had a Community Garden, and my sons did not attend the Westport schools.
But I still love the Town, and I’m still interested in what happens.
So, speaking from a distance (Redding CT), I can only offer this suggestion —
Do what Coleytown Middle did when they were renovating it. They enrolled all their students in Bedford Middle. Only in this case, move the kids to other schools, tear down the current Long Lots School, build a new school, and leave the gardeners in peace.
There are options on the table that protect the Garden and the Preserve. Let’s continue to focus on that common ground as the solution that is a win-win. New school + preserve the ecological, environmental and community assets that the site represents.